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  • #670
    Chris SatolaChris Satola
    Keymaster

    Hello!

    The Architectural Review Committee and the HOA Board have worked together to bring a much needed update and revision to our Homeowner’s Guide. Ahead of the vote to adopt at the September HOA Meeting, we are soliciting your feedback. Please review the proposed new document, available for download here, and provide feedback in this thread.

    Please keep in mind that this is a DRAFT document.

    A summary of the largest changes from the current to the new:

    – Removed outdated language surrounding the initial build of the development that is no longer relevant.
    – Provided more specific guidance around Decks
    – Called out specifically what is under ARC review
    – Added additional mailbox style
    – Added Roofing and Siding as an ARC review item
    – Added guidelines for Sheds (NOTE: SAGAMORE HILLS DOES NOT ALLOW SHEDS IN EATON ESTATE. THIS PROVISION ONLY EXISTS IF THEY CHANGE THEIR RULES!)
    – Added Community Standards

    Thank you!

    #671
    Jeffrey DickJeffrey Dick
    Participant

    Is it possible to post a redline/strikeout version of the document to assist in reviewing the changes made vs original requirements that are unchanged?

    #673
    Chris SatolaChris Satola
    Keymaster

    Here’s a download link for the original homeowner’s guide.
    https://www.eatonestate.net/download/current-homeowners-guide/

    I don’t have a good copy of the old one with the changes redlined / new things highlighted. The changes are rather significant. Having said that, if that’s helpful, I’ll spend a few hours tonight creating one for you. Please let me know if that’s something you’d like.

    #675
    Chris SatolaChris Satola
    Keymaster

    Proposal (from Bob Scott):

    Add a minimum height specification of 7′ to the trees overhanging sidewalks. I am in favor.

    #678
    Chris SatolaChris Satola
    Keymaster

    Proposal (from Bob Scott)

    The following needs to be removed… “– No automobile, truck, boat, recreational vehicle, airplane, or vehicle of any kind, licensed or unlicensed, may be stored on any street in or upon the
    Properties except in the confines of garages or parking areas approved by the EECA Board. “The board does not control parking on street. Streets are managed by the township. This was reaffirmed by our law firm when the bylaws were modified.

    #679
    Jeffrey DickJeffrey Dick
    Participant

    Section 12, remove “fishing” from list of prohibited activities.

    #680
    Chris SatolaChris Satola
    Keymaster

    Section 12, remove “fishing” from list of prohibited activities.

    Good catch. Added to my list of changes to make.

    #681
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    ” – Boating, swimming, fishing, wading or any use requiring entry into
    the retention basins is prohibited.”

    We need to define what a retention basin. The only place fishingis allowed is in the pond. I don’t think that counts as a retention basin as it was here long before Eaton. On the other hand, the retention basins created to collect large quantities of rain during storms are a different story, they are dangerous. They have steep sides, big drains and such. Perhaps clarify or identify which areas are which.

    #682
    JrusickJrusick
    Participant

    Good morning. Feedback from Laura (& Jeff)…

    First of all, thank you so much for all your effort! We know from experience this is a big project. 🙂
    – page 3.
    — Decks are listed, but not Pergolas or Gazebos. Pergolas and Gazebos – these are more likely to be approved by Sagamore Hills, so you might want to note that they should follow Sagamore Hills zoning regs. These I would think should get reviewed by ARC as well as sheds.
    — The association/ARC used to do backyard walkthroughs. You may want to call this out as optional. Otherwise, you can’t see what is going on in a backyard unless the common area abutting to the property is walkable and the backyard is visible from there.
    —How ARC members get selected should be spelled out. Article I has the board makeup, but not the selection process.
    – Article II, Section 1. We have a satellite dish in the ground, next to the house. We switched services, and did not want another dish messing up our siding. My preference would be to allow this if it is within 2′ of the house.
    – Article II, Section 2. Would be nice if there was no political signage or flags allowed outside of house/property. This last political season, there were actually swear words on a flag.
    – Article II, Section 19. Surprised to see this does not include the current standard fixture. I would hate to see different fixtures on properties, as it would look disjointed (IMO of course).
    – Article II, Section 18. So glad trees will now be required on tree lawns – it gets hot to walk otherwise in the summer!
    – Specification 1. We would really like to see dark bronze aluminum included. That is our fence color and not something we can change. We also think most people with tan-brown color palates for their houses would prefer it. If it is not, there needs to be some kind of grandfathering. We’re not replacing it. 🙂 And painting it would defeat the purpose of aluminum and its practically zero maintenance. (It is fully permitted.)
    – Specification III – Railings should include composite.
    – Specification VI – seems like specific mention be made that rear additions to the house are ok, including an external door, as long as reviewed and permitted like any addition. The disclaimer should read “Sagamore Hills does not permit free standing sheds….” Same comment for Section 15 – this is not technically correct.
    – Specification VII – example 9. Our steps are designed to be independent from the porch and have a gap. It actually annoys me, but was told that is normal and good design. Depending on weather, the gap size can vary.
    – In general, we recommend that any additions that passed ARC and Sagamore Hills/Summit review in the past should be grandfathered. Those additions are expensive and difficult to remediate. That should be specified in the document.

    #683
    Plona BenkePlona Benke
    Participant

    Thank you for the opportunity to review the draft deed restrictions.

    1. Pergolas and Gazebos are mentioned in the list of items to be discussed, but are never specifically addressed in the document.  Is this because they fit the “definition” of a shed or outbuilding?  Or, are they considered part of a deck?  It is not clearly spelled out. Installation of pergolas and sheds should follow zoning laws if applicable and be reviewed for design by the ARC.
    2. Section IV – mailboxes  – under (D) ; typo…”while” should be “white”.
    3. Is there any need to mention playground type items such as basketball hoops, trampolines and swing sets? I assume these are not restricted as they are found throughout the neighborhood.

    #684
    Chris SatolaChris Satola
    Keymaster

    Good morning. Feedback from Laura (& Jeff)…

    First of all, thank you so much for all your effort! We know from experience this is a big project. 🙂
    – page 3.
    — Decks are listed, but not Pergolas or Gazebos. Pergolas and Gazebos – these are more likely to be approved by Sagamore Hills, so you might want to note that they should follow Sagamore Hills zoning regs. These I would think should get reviewed by ARC as well as sheds.
    — The association/ARC used to do backyard walkthroughs. You may want to call this out as optional. Otherwise, you can’t see what is going on in a backyard unless the common area abutting to the property is walkable and the backyard is visible from there.
    —How ARC members get selected should be spelled out. Article I has the board makeup, but not the selection process.
    – Article II, Section 1. We have a satellite dish in the ground, next to the house. We switched services, and did not want another dish messing up our siding. My preference would be to allow this if it is within 2′ of the house.
    – Article II, Section 2. Would be nice if there was no political signage or flags allowed outside of house/property. This last political season, there were actually swear words on a flag.
    – Article II, Section 19. Surprised to see this does not include the current standard fixture. I would hate to see different fixtures on properties, as it would look disjointed (IMO of course).
    – Article II, Section 18. So glad trees will now be required on tree lawns – it gets hot to walk otherwise in the summer!
    – Specification 1. We would really like to see dark bronze aluminum included. That is our fence color and not something we can change. We also think most people with tan-brown color palates for their houses would prefer it. If it is not, there needs to be some kind of grandfathering. We’re not replacing it. 🙂 And painting it would defeat the purpose of aluminum and its practically zero maintenance. (It is fully permitted.)
    – Specification III – Railings should include composite.
    – Specification VI – seems like specific mention be made that rear additions to the house are ok, including an external door, as long as reviewed and permitted like any addition. The disclaimer should read “Sagamore Hills does not permit free standing sheds….” Same comment for Section 15 – this is not technically correct.
    – Specification VII – example 9. Our steps are designed to be independent from the porch and have a gap. It actually annoys me, but was told that is normal and good design. Depending on weather, the gap size can vary.
    – In general, we recommend that any additions that passed ARC and Sagamore Hills/Summit review in the past should be grandfathered. Those additions are expensive and difficult to remediate. That should be specified in the document.

    Thank you for this feedback! I’ll go through it and add to the agenda to discuss with the rest of ARC.

    Thank you for the opportunity to review the draft deed restrictions.

    1. Pergolas and Gazebos are mentioned in the list of items to be discussed, but are never specifically addressed in the document. Is this because they fit the “definition” of a shed or outbuilding? Or, are they considered part of a deck? It is not clearly spelled out. Installation of pergolas and sheds should follow zoning laws if applicable and be reviewed for design by the ARC.
    2. Section IV – mailboxes – under (D) ; typo…”while” should be “white”.
    3. Is there any need to mention playground type items such as basketball hoops, trampolines and swing sets? I assume these are not restricted as they are found throughout the neighborhood.

    Good catch on the Pergolas/Gazebos. I’ll address that.
    Typo – fixed. I’ll fix that
    Basketball Hoops/Swingsets/etc., are not regulated.

    #717
    Chris SatolaChris Satola
    Keymaster

    Thank you everyone for your input. Several of the suggestions above were added to the final version that was approved by the HOA board last night. The new Homeowner’s Guild is now approved and effective. The final version can be downloaded here:

    Homeowner’s Guide

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